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Questions, answers, ideas / more animations
« Last post by Ron on June 05, 2018, 02:18:06 PM »
The archives have come up with about 50 animations I didn't know about. I'll try to fit them in if I can.
My expereince, garnered from sort of inventing online learning (aka e-learning) in the machine tool trades, has convinced me that visually animations can be far better teaching tools than camera videos.

Animations or videos can be used along with photo images and drawings to teach WITH text. Still a firm believer that you cannot teach online with audio_videos alone. Some technologies moved too fast.
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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: The History and Resurrection of the VMS
« Last post by Ron on June 01, 2018, 09:21:37 PM »
:-D Will spread the love for the VMS!.

Are you enjoying retirement?

I would love to see the VMS go into a great groups hands, and I agree while you can see things happen in a video, I can make a video cutting parts on a lathe all day long. YOU see it happen. The know how to make it happen actually involves reading and practicing with ideas that can be read.

The VMS is what it is, Its a good place to get the basic understanding of how machine tools work. While you could write much more in depth knowledge and know how. It can often become perplex and overwhelming for the teacher and the student. People participating in the forums, and asking questions getting answers is also key. I read almost everything that pops up. Even if I don't have the answer when someone who chimes in does. I learn something.

I'll give you a ton of credit. I tried my hand at teaching another story. I was working with a apprentice at a dealership that was closing. Good kid, ambitious and hungry. He was a fresh high school graduate with a vocational background. Did alot of tinkering and messing around this was his first paid job spinning wrenches. I ended up with him because he was with another tech who just made him his lackey, treated him like a probie which he was but wasn't giving him an education. Worked with him, had him to jobs in my second bay and I watched as I completed my tasks I educated him and gave him reading materials, Knowing the dealer was in its waning days. I got an email offer on my resume to become a instructor for a local college. Better pay better hours. less back breaking labor. Great where do I sign? On the Dotted line. I lasted a month.

I had to deal with, lack of attention span, why do we need to know this? Why do you we need to do the math? I can do all this with my cellphone. I don't have to look up the job to see how its done via Technical Service Data. I can just watch YouTube.

My Answers
Why Do We Need to Know This? Well if you don't know how something functions, how are you going to know its not working? The "Puter" doesn't always spit out the perfect information.

Why Do We Need To Do the Math? Because, if you don't know how the "Fancy Excel Calculator thing works" you won't know how to do a job, when you don't have it on hand.

I can Do this All with my cellphone! I got in trouble my first week, when I have each student put a sticky note with their name on their cellphone turn it off and place it in front of the room. So now your cellphone, Ipod, or other technological device, is not working, you droppped it, the battery died whatever. Do you stop working? And lose money? No you keep driving on.

I can Just look it up on Youtube! Or Google! Ok, so your friend posts a video on YouTube or on a forum it is not monitored as anyone with a cellphone camera can post on YouTube , and the procedure is performed incorrect. Now you perform the procedure incorrect. and it bites you. costs you or your customer time & money. We have a multimillion dollar platform that is written by industry experts for performing your job correctly. Use it.

Needless to say after 1 month I received poor reviews from my students for not "conforming with technology and making the class too hard" along with the handful who where there to avoid jail, get out of their parents hair, or waste someone elses time & money I quickly resigned.

How would you like to moderate this board? I mean no one is posting here so moderating nothing is quite easy :)

If you woudl liek to help a little please go find one topic that has our old videos on it and then search Youtube for a rpplacment. I can clip a youtbe vidoe into the page code and make it shorter if needed.
if you want go read this post see topic
I'd like to see some more users and more discussion.. just don't know how to get the info out... mind is failing
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Off Topic / Re: Grinding on in Penn
« Last post by fanelli18 on June 01, 2018, 02:31:35 AM »
That's funny I actually missed this post and article.

Hazleton was the place I got my first ever manufacturing job back in 2000. I was 18 years old.

I am from that area originally and she was correct Manufacturing did increase. Unfortunately in that area the manufacturing is often "production workers" packing parts, being part of an assembly line. Basically your non skilled trades jobs. But require you to work fast.

Much more of recent they started offering better wages, and working conditions. But requirng some more from employees as far as On The Job Training. My Mother Retired from Nursing in 2015. Well she got bought out into a early retirement, but after a year she got bored and decided she needed a job. So she took a job in a plastics plant. Where I was a extruder and a maint/millwright for a while after I came home from the Army. I said your not going to like it there. I was wrong she loves it. But they really moved up the pay and give out incentives for safety and attendance monthly.

I have since moved to Harrisburg, PA. there is plenty of work around here. The guy I am doing work for said he could easily hire 4 more guys if he had them. The last two new hires he had came in with no experience, but a willingness to learn. And he isn't the only one. Alot of places are willing to hire "apprentices" that have the willingness to learn, because they can't fill the spots. The Mrs. is from York, PA which is like the Machine Shop Capital of the world. Just go job search Machinist or CNC and York PA. Hundreds of jobs 18 to 30 dollars an hour.
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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: The History and Resurrection of the VMS
« Last post by fanelli18 on June 01, 2018, 02:00:48 AM »
 :-D Will spread the love for the VMS!.

Are you enjoying retirement?

I would love to see the VMS go into a great groups hands, and I agree while you can see things happen in a video, I can make a video cutting parts on a lathe all day long. YOU see it happen. The know how to make it happen actually involves reading and practicing with ideas that can be read.

The VMS is what it is, Its a good place to get the basic understanding of how machine tools work. While you could write much more in depth knowledge and know how. It can often become perplex and overwhelming for the teacher and the student. People participating in the forums, and asking questions getting answers is also key. I read almost everything that pops up. Even if I don't have the answer when someone who chimes in does. I learn something.

I'll give you a ton of credit. I tried my hand at teaching another story. I was working with a apprentice at a dealership that was closing. Good kid, ambitious and hungry. He was a fresh high school graduate with a vocational background. Did alot of tinkering and messing around this was his first paid job spinning wrenches. I ended up with him because he was with another tech who just made him his lackey, treated him like a probie which he was but wasn't giving him an education. Worked with him, had him to jobs in my second bay and I watched as I completed my tasks I educated him and gave him reading materials, Knowing the dealer was in its waning days. I got an email offer on my resume to become a instructor for a local college. Better pay better hours. less back breaking labor. Great where do I sign? On the Dotted line. I lasted a month.

I had to deal with, lack of attention span, why do we need to know this? Why do you we need to do the math? I can do all this with my cellphone. I don't have to look up the job to see how its done via Technical Service Data. I can just watch YouTube.

My Answers
Why Do We Need to Know This? Well if you don't know how something functions, how are you going to know its not working? The "Puter" doesn't always spit out the perfect information.

Why Do We Need To Do the Math? Because, if you don't know how the "Fancy Excel Calculator thing works" you won't know how to do a job, when you don't have it on hand.

I can Do this All with my cellphone! I got in trouble my first week, when I have each student put a sticky note with their name on their cellphone turn it off and place it in front of the room. So now your cellphone, Ipod, or other technological device, is not working, you droppped it, the battery died whatever. Do you stop working? And lose money? No you keep driving on.

I can Just look it up on Youtube! Or Google! Ok, so your friend posts a video on YouTube or on a forum it is not monitored as anyone with a cellphone camera can post on YouTube , and the procedure is performed incorrect. Now you perform the procedure incorrect. and it bites you. costs you or your customer time & money. We have a multimillion dollar platform that is written by industry experts for performing your job correctly. Use it.

Needless to say after 1 month I received poor reviews from my students for not "conforming with technology and making the class too hard" along with the handful who where there to avoid jail, get out of their parents hair, or waste someone elses time & money I quickly resigned.




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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: Media is better than I remember
« Last post by Ron on May 26, 2018, 05:43:07 PM »
Easier to read

You are probably referring to the videos.
Most of our videos were shot by the campus staff with high end equipment and they came back to us as .MOV files.
We had to make up our mind how to change them for web delivery. There were only two streaming formats at that time that worked ok on Windows Explorer. It was eather the Real Player .ra format or the Windows video .wmv format. We chose the latter since it was free on every Windows computer.

Streaming became so much better and commuter screes so much crisper that it was soon where a tiny smart phone cameras were taking bigger and better videos.
So I went back and found some of the original .mov files and uploaded them to youtube and now the quality looks better.

I would still like people to link or upload better examples in each topic.
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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: The History and Resurrection of the VMS
« Last post by Ron on May 26, 2018, 03:39:22 AM »
Wow,

I became a member of this site many years ago, before the economy tanked I was working in a shop that did primarily aerospace components I loved the job, they loved me then Boeing did their thing trickle down effect happened. We closed I was out of a job, with no Machine Shops in the area hiring, I went into one and said to the guy that I was laid off in search of work. He said man I feel you. I turn away at least 20 applicants looking for work. Some guys have more experience than half of my guys that have been alive.

I gave up and went back to working on cars. I love cars, its my passion, along with motorcycles. I worked in many shops while I was in high school. But machine shops were my goal I took a few night classes learning the basics but that's what I got, I could make simple projects on a lathe, or mill. even write some CNC programs but nothing more than a few lines of simple geometry, or drilling. I learned more on the job. And I used places like this to learn more than basic info. Asked questions to the older guys, made some mistakes and learned as I was going.

About a week ago, I got a email stating the VMS got revived. I was like oh man I got to stop in there and update my story again!

I still work at a dealership as a Master Technician. But I needed extra money, A small machine shop in the area was looking for people for a 2nd shift. I applied and said look I'm not totally green but I am for sure rusty. I will get there with some time and patience and realize that I am not going to be your top producing employee. He was just happy to have someone who was willing to take the time to not lie about their experience and willing to take the time to rebuild their repitore. He told me he had plenty of guys come in and tell him they are solid, only to wreck parts and machines terribly.

Alot of the jobs I have been doing over the past week. are simple geomtry, I have to hand program G Code, some bolt circle stuff some Milling on a old Fadal. Its been a long time since I touched a Fadal. I was working a P/T job on the weekends at another shop that made bearings and hubs but got bored quick running three CNC machines and only being a over glorified button pusher. He is really taking his time with me getting me back up to speed and not expecting anything over burdening, My hardest project was handed to me friday, which is drill and tap 2 holes 90 degrees apart on a cylindrical part. 3 axis VMC. I can do it on a bridgeport alot quicker but its a push to me to work on getting back up to snuff.

Of course I could never forget this place. Helped me when I was just getting my start. Glad to that you are keeping it going as much as you can Ron. And you are no longer teaching any trades?
Hey dude.. I do remember you.
I decided to fix this place because a teacher I know told me that the move afoot in education is to shut down the new-age e-learing drift that is so dependent on NOT READING! Videos a great but not enough. So I thought I could go back and write better and be more clear and find volunteers who can write better and be more clear.
This it the basic idea.
Keep this convo going and tell your friends and OH BYE THE WAY notice the quality of supporting info is better and that is the main deal. All of these topics can be fortified with comment by users in the topics AND by linking great you tube video fortification
Links
links
links

Spread it all round, guy

Ron

PS I am 75 going on 95 and I do not teach anymore... I need to get this site handed over to someone or some group who can see what it is.
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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: The History and Resurrection of the VMS
« Last post by fanelli18 on May 25, 2018, 11:53:06 PM »
Wow,

I became a member of this site many years ago, before the economy tanked I was working in a shop that did primarily aerospace components I loved the job, they loved me then Boeing did their thing trickle down effect happened. We closed I was out of a job, with no Machine Shops in the area hiring, I went into one and said to the guy that I was laid off in search of work. He said man I feel you. I turn away at least 20 applicants looking for work. Some guys have more experience than half of my guys that have been alive.

I gave up and went back to working on cars. I love cars, its my passion, along with motorcycles. I worked in many shops while I was in high school. But machine shops were my goal I took a few night classes learning the basics but that's what I got, I could make simple projects on a lathe, or mill. even write some CNC programs but nothing more than a few lines of simple geometry, or drilling. I learned more on the job. And I used places like this to learn more than basic info. Asked questions to the older guys, made some mistakes and learned as I was going.

About a week ago, I got a email stating the VMS got revived. I was like oh man I got to stop in there and update my story again!

I still work at a dealership as a Master Technician. But I needed extra money, A small machine shop in the area was looking for people for a 2nd shift. I applied and said look I'm not totally green but I am for sure rusty. I will get there with some time and patience and realize that I am not going to be your top producing employee. He was just happy to have someone who was willing to take the time to not lie about their experience and willing to take the time to rebuild their repitore. He told me he had plenty of guys come in and tell him they are solid, only to wreck parts and machines terribly.

Alot of the jobs I have been doing over the past week. are simple geomtry, I have to hand program G Code, some bolt circle stuff some Milling on a old Fadal. Its been a long time since I touched a Fadal. I was working a P/T job on the weekends at another shop that made bearings and hubs but got bored quick running three CNC machines and only being a over glorified button pusher. He is really taking his time with me getting me back up to speed and not expecting anything over burdening, My hardest project was handed to me friday, which is drill and tap 2 holes 90 degrees apart on a cylindrical part. 3 axis VMC. I can do it on a bridgeport alot quicker but its a push to me to work on getting back up to snuff.

Of course I could never forget this place. Helped me when I was just getting my start. Glad to that you are keeping it going as much as you can Ron. And you are no longer teaching any trades?

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Questions, answers, ideas / Media is better than I remember
« Last post by v22osprey on May 18, 2018, 12:29:52 AM »
Easier to read
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Questions, answers, ideas / Re: Hello everyone
« Last post by Ron on May 16, 2018, 03:57:36 PM »
I am joining for our class and all of the members have the name and password. We are Wilson High School in Long Beach, CA.
We do not have a metal shop class or machine shop class and would like to incorporate this class for seniors as an elective.

Do you have teachers there? How about testing?

Wilson

Hello Wilson. I lived a block or two from your campus at one time.
Your idea about making this a mini course for schools that don't have much in the way of shop classes is an excellent use of the data.
We are always looking for teachers to set up a small course management system like Moodle and go with it.
It would be nice if I could do that myself but I cannot. Talk to your counselors and see if a teacher on campus could take this on.

Cheers

Ron
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Questions, answers, ideas / Hello everyone
« Last post by Wilson HS on May 16, 2018, 02:52:22 PM »
I am joining for our class and all of the members have the name and password. We are Wilson High School in Long Beach, CA.
We do not have a metal shop class or machine shop class and would like to incorporate this class for seniors as an elective.

Do you have teachers there? How about testing?

Wilson
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